The curse of multiplied sorrow during childbirth.

When discussing the ideas of preterism, that the end times have come and that the curses of the fall, and the death and law of the tree of knowledge of good/evil have been canceled and reversed in Jesus’ coming, it’s common to hear such statements as; “I know that Jesus has not returned and the end has not come yet because; I still sweat when I work, women still labor greatly in childbirth, and we still die.

In Gen 3:16, Eve is told that as a result of her eating of the fruit of the tree, that sorrow in childbirth would be greatly multiplied. What was meant by these words? And if Christ has reversed and canceled the effects of the law of sin/death, (Rom 8:2) in what manner and how is the multiplied sorrow lifted?

After Adam’s eating of the tree, God made the following statements.

*[[Gen 3:14-19/KJV]] v.14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: v 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

v 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; v 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; v 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Note the close association between the thorns, thistles and “fruitlessness” of the cursed earth with Adams life, as it returns to the earth ‘from whence it came’ in vs 18 & 19. Adam died before the flood of Noah had eased the curse on the earth and given “rest” to the land and people. A contrasting analogy could have been intended between Adams life and the mentioned fruitfullness of Lamechs children in 4:21,22. (mentioned later)

Gen 5:29 declares that the curse on the earth was somehow eased or lifted through the flood of Noah.

Gen 5:29 And he called his name Noah, (rest) saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.

One idea is that the earth outside of the Eden was a jungle and the heavens were a heavy vapor canopy (2 Pet 3:5) The flood changed the atmoshere and the landscape to become more Edenic. Though the earth still yields thorns and thistles, God declares that the flood lifted and eased that curse. Perhaps it is better still for people of good, loving intent of faith rather than those minded strictly for maximum profit. Perhaps when one raises food in good faith and knows that the present weeds, thorns and obstacles are not the remnants of any edenic curse, the thorns and thistles are more easily and positively dealt with and overcome, as if they disolve away. (IS 65:24) In whatever way, we trust that the words of Gen 5:29 represent an accurate depiction that things physically and spiritually changed for the better through the flood. We think, for example, of the ability of farmers to feed a much greater population than what was on the earth in Noahs or even Jesus’ day.

The answer to the question of a yet present “cursed” and unfruitful earth, and cursed (fallen) life under “sin” is both physical and objective and at least somewhat subjective, and dependant on ones faith, outlook and beliefs. Is 65:20 makes the distinction that in the New heavens and earth of Jesus, there would be children of God/Jesus and “sinners” who chose disbelief rather than freedom through faith in Gods living existence and visitation.

I believe Jesus truths and parables involving seed, wheat or tares were in context of these Edenic/Adamic and cursed ‘(unfruitfull) earth/life topics. Matthew 13 and the topics of bearing fruit in John 15 below are two such examples.

*[Joh 15:16/KJVL]* Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

*[Joh 15:8/KJVL]* Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

But how did the flood, or Christ’s coming change or ease the womans multiplied sorrow in conception and childbirth?

We aren’t told anything concerning the woman’s sorrow being lifted through the flood; but there are hints that it would be lifted “later” after the flood and through a act of absolute faith and adherance to Gods future seed..

Recall that one of Eves sons (Cain) killed her second son (Abel) because of a difference in their understanding about life, and worshipping God.

I believe Cain perhaps brought a bitter offering of the yield of the ‘cursed’ earth and from the sweat (worry-stress) of his brow. Abel brought an offering of worship, faith, hope and understanding in the future seed of God, which in Gods Love and justice would need to be sacrified and die to cancel and atone for the atmosphere permitted and created through the law of sin/death of the first garden.

Regardless of weather or not that is a correct understanding, we can contemplate and consider the anguish, turmoil and questions that Abels murder would have created with Eve. So much so that she considered Seth a replacement for Abel. Her thoughts could have been; “how long would another child live”?.. Will Cain kill me?….and many similar worries and cares such as “Why do I toil 9 months in pregnancy and childbirth just to have the children live, or be killed in the thorns and thistles of hate and jealousy”?

“Where is the love?” (Black eyed peas)

Thus the multiplication of sorrow in childbirth was the multiplied emotional sorrow, worry, distress and anxiety over the outcome, fruitfulness and goodness of the life being brought into the world of the fall. It does not refer to multiplied physical labor.

How long do you think she and they mourned for Abel?

Her desire for her husband in vs 16 is likely not intended to refer to a lustfull desire but a desire for him to resolve the pain and uncertainty of her good will and work towards life. She would have desired for him to stand in faith for Goodness, for life, for love and for her. This is what God/Jesus eventually did, but stood for both genders as “man” or humanity.

His ‘ruling over her’ may have been intended to imply that her happiness would depend on weather her mate and brother (Adam) was of faith, love and thankfulness in the Goodness and freedom of life through the promised future seed of God. Or would he rule over her in bitterness towards her due to the felt curse of his labor? We imagine his blames and criticisms of Eve, such as; “Didn’t she believe me when I told her that God said not to eat of that tree?…..and so forth, ad nauseum. And yet Adam’s labor was ‘cursed’ solely because he himself (in Gods foreknowledge) had freely taken from Eve of the fruit of the tree of the law of life/death. Vs 17.

Remember how Sara called Abram Lord and his life was full of faith, friendship and foreimagery of the future coming of the Good seed/son of God, in contrast with the oppressive, stipulative fear induced religions of Nimrod? This would have been a positive example of his leadership through faith, love and goodness.

Here, two verses prior to the mention of Seths birth, we have the example of such a man who stood for Good; Lamech, (lamech 1) a great, great, great grandson of Cain.

*[[Gen 4:23-24/KJV]]* v 23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt. v 24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

Here are the words in Youngs literal translation.

*[[Gen 4:23-24/YLT]]* v 23 And Lamech saith to his wives: –`Adah and Zillah, hear my voice; Wives of Lamech, give ear to my saying: For a man I have slain for my wound, Even a young man for my hurt; v 24 For sevenfold is required for Cain, And for Lamech seventy and sevenfold.’

And In the septuigent;

*[[Gen 4:23-24/LXXE]]* %v 23% And Lamech said to his wives, Ada and Sella, Hear my voice, ye wives of Lamech, consider my words, because I have slain a man to my sorrow and a youth to my grief. %v 24% Because vengeance has been exacted seven times on Cain’s behalf, on Lamech’s it shall be seventy times seven.

By placing irrevocable and absolute faith in the GOODNESS and love of the future seed of God, promised to humanity through the female gender, (like Abel did); Lamech 1 “killed” and mortified some of the effects which the tempter (the young, potent, effectual man) had been fore-ordained to cause under the atmosphere of edenic law.

In addition to having a positive, loving, attractive personality, (two wives) a near effect of the proclamation of this “man of faith” was that his children were fruitful, industrious and creative. (4:20-22) A secondary near effect was to cause the eventual easing of the curse on the earth through his “after-type’s” son named Noah, (rest) (Gen 5:29) who was born to another Lamech (lamech 2) through Seths lineage (Gen ch. 5) of similar names as Lamech 1’s lineage. (4:18). I believe that this association to a second, later lamech Supports that the promised seed to eventually fully cancel and mortify the garden law and establish a new law of the new creation would come later. It was similar to how Abraham’s iife and experiences with his “only son” Isaac fore-imaged the later coming and events concerning Jesus, the son of God.

Lamech also makes mention that if Cain is avenged 7 times, he be avenged a “multiple” of 70 times 7 times….or 490 times. We note the association with the Angels message to Daniel of 490 years from Cyruses decree through Jesus’ establishing the covt of life (Gen 3:15) in Daniel 9:24. We believe the 70th week to be the teaching of Jesus from his baptism through the continuation and growth of those words in the apostles in Jerusalem through 33AD before continuing in Judea and Samaria and beyond. This 490 yr proclamation by Lamech further supports the proto-evangelical and foretyping intent of his mortifying proclaimation.

*[[Dan 9:24-25]] KJV* Seventy weeks (seventy-sevens) are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, ….. and to anoint the most Holy. 25. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, (49 years) and (plus) threescore and two weeks: (434 years for a total of 483 years until his announcement as Son of God at the baptism) ………

Then, after Lamechs proclamation of faith, Adam/Eve apparently (if the story is intended to be chronological) felt secure to continue bringing forth children.

*[[Gen 4:25]] KJV* And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

It is almost as if Eve needed to hear of another man faithfull to the seed promise of life before healing from her sorrow and risking further children. Did she wait in sorrow and insecurity 5 generations of Cain’s line before hearing of Lamechs faith declaration, to begin bearing children in hope? If so, lamech also partly eased her multiplied sorrow.

So for millenia before Christ, the uncertainty , ignorance, (Acts 17:30) fear (heb 2:15) and insecurity of how to please Creator God established enmity between men, between men and God, and between men and women, which led to multiplied sorrow and anxiety in bringing forth children. Later, bearing children in the oppressive, fear inducing ways of the religious law of Moses or in Nimrods ways of false idols and multi-deity ritualistic systems continued sorrow in childbirth. (Where is the love?)

In the good doctrine and ways of Christ as the seed of God, disciples of faith and obedience to his truths have beaten their swords into plowshares, (Is 3:4, Joel 4:3 & Micah 3:10) and bear good fruit of love in the spirit. As one song we used to sing in choir says…”It is finished, the battle is over; it is finished,…there will (should be) no more war”. In Christ, childbirth is not done in fear of futility or fruitlessness of life unto God, but FOR goodness, freedom, and fruitfullness.

*[[Isa 65:21-24/KJV]]* v 21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. v 22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. v 23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. v 24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

Children are (should be) brought into the world to replace, grow and expand the good, free, fruitfull generation that is leaving and to come to follow truth, peace, love, fulfillment & happiness in God/Jesus, as the creative image of the father. They are (should be) brought up with the knowledge of the divinity of life in its continud 100 year lifespans (Is 65:20) and procreational two gendered design as his Good will. (Matt 19:4)

The curse of multiplied sorrow from Gen 3:16 was/is thus subjective and is changed through those like lamech who have placed absolute faith in the divinity of Christ and who follow the new law of the life, freedom and peace in the GOOD, loving, divine will of God through Christ’s words, teachings and truths. This is true of ‘birthing’ children spiritually as well as biologically. (Is 54:1)

*[[Isa 51:3/KJVLite]]* For the LORD shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the LORD; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.

*[[Eze 36:35/KJVLite]]* And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.

I think Paul may have some of these edenic happenings and the lifting of the curse in mind as he writes to Timothy in 2 Tim 2:12ff. Though the curses from Eden are lifted by God through the female gender (Mary), ‘the woman’ is not to seek to LORD over the male gender, by those events, noting that the birth through her gender was prophecied and neccessary to redeem herself, her brother and the human race from the law of sin/death unto the law of righteousness/life.

As a comparison, we think of the multiplied sorrows that Private Ryan’s mother, from the movie “Saving Private Ryan,” would have had. In a setting of WW2 europe, the remnant of a company of soldiers perhaps numbering 30 men is given instruction to find a certain “Private Ryan.” His other 3 or 4 brothers have been killed in battles and the army has made a new rule of “compassion” concerning preserving at least one son for the continuation and comfort of the miltary family. Ironically, most of the rest of the company dies while searching for, protecting and fighting for private Ryan.

In summary; all three of the curses (death, thorns/thistles and sorrow in childbirth) would have been related to emotional effects more than or in addition to partial physical effects. And all three are lifted and reversed through the way and truths of the life of the Seed-Son of the Father.

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The false axiom to bless the state of Israel or the “jews” to be blessed.

Many people have heard, read or been taught that blessing the (alledged) physical descendants of Abraham, participants of the religious world of judaism, or participants of the present state of Israel, is Gods emphatic will; and will insure “blessing” for themselves or their country.
These several points will explain the faults of that understanding of Gen 12:3, 15:18 & ch 17 and comment towards a correct understanding of the happiness and blessing given to and through Abraham, and the ‘seed’ of his example and typologies. A reading of Genesis 10-17 at the minimum would be helpfull to consider the context of this topic.

*[[Gen 12:1-3/KJV]]*  v 1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee:  v 2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:  v 3 And I will bless them that bless thee and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

1.  The historical setting of the words.

From extra-biblical literature we learn that Nimrod had claimed virgin birth status for himself or his son as the fulfillment of the promise of Gen 3:15.  He had made a tower to the heavens, shot an arrow in the air, and claimed to have killed the God of the clouds of heaven as the activator of the flood, thus securing temporary cult status for himself.   He started subsequent babylonian multi-deity religions of superstitious rituals and sacrifice.

Abraham was told to get up and out of this environment and that through him (Not Nimrod) God would deliver his son and through him [not Nimrod] all nations of humanity would be blessed. 

Thus, there is a certain amount of contrast between monotheistic believing Abraham and polytheistic, fearful Nimrod intended by the words ‘thee’ and “in thee shall all nations of the earth be blessed”. God was primarily stating that the blessing of the Good, promised seed of life and of the living God would come through Abraham, not Nimrod’s false counterfeits and fear/ignorance induced polytheism.

This point is supported by the fact that the land promised to Abraham in Gen 15:18 was being occupied with many of Nimrods relatives, whom the monotheistic, seed-promise believing people were to displace.

*[[Gen 15:18-21/KJV]]* v 18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: v 19. The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, v 20. And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, v 21. And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

Nimrods cities, religious kingdoms and ways are mentioned in ch 10 & 11 in direct contrasting context with the instructions and promises to Abraham in ch 12, 15 & 17. The names of the multideistic, inhabitants of Canaan-land whom the monotheistic israelites are to displace are listed in Gen 15:19-21. (above) Most of these mentioned are descendants of Canaan in ch 10 and are cousins of Nimrod who was nephew to both Canaan and Asshur. (Assyrians)

Since events of Abrahams life and experiences foretyped aspects of the promised everlasting covenant through Christ (the edenic -“my” covt; see points 3 &4; Gal 3:8) so also I believe the land promise and the instructions to displace the idolotrous people of Canaan-land foretyped aspects of, and found eventual fulfillment in, the everlasting covenant. By faith in the person, authority, freedom and words of his incarnation, the indwelling truths, love, goodness and experiential knowledge of God (John 17:3), displaces fear, (Heb 2:15) death, (rom 8:2 etc) ignorance, (Acts 17:30, Eph 4:18) fruitlessness (gal 5:22) and insecurity in the “holy land” of the individual believing/recieving human life.

The Israelites were released from slavery in egypt and passed through the red sea after @ 430 years of sojourning. The Holy (Good) Spirit of Christ began indwelling and “invading” the “promised land” of the heart and life through the everlasting covt (Gen 3:15) under Jesus @430 years after Malachi, the last prophet to prophecy to Israel.

A further analogy and correlation of the ‘holy land’ might be able to be made to the ‘river’ of Ezekiel 47. The river of living in Christ laws of love, truths and freedom has banks representing boundaries and laws just as the ‘holy land’ had two rivers for boundaries. Two possible laws that might be intended by these imageries are the law of faith (John 5:19-24; 6:28,29, Matt 5:1-16; 16:18-21, Rom 3:27-31; 1 John 3:22-24) and the law of the divinity, peace, love and goodness of life and of humanity in physical and spiritual regeneration. (Matt 19:4-6; John 13:34; I John 3:24; Rom 1:17)

2. The statement is made with regard to certain characteristics or aspects of his life in contrast with those of Nimrod.

2a. The statement individually applied. .
Its wotthy to note that the passage doesn’t say “I will bless those who bless your descendants and curse those who curse your descendants”, but the statement is first spoken of Abraham himself. It’s later repeated to and about Isaac, and then by Isaac to and about Jacob in Gen 27:29. Thus the statements were made first to and about them as individuals, and referred to certain aspects and characteristics of their lives.

In order to meet the primary, initial implications of this statement of blessing/cursing, one would have needed to have been a contemporary of Abraham, Isaac or Jacob/Israel; and understand the intended comparative monotheistic and proto-evangelical intention of the words.

The incident between Abraham, Sara and Pharoah served as an immediate example of Gods hand of protection in their lives.

2b. The principle of the statement corporally applied.

About 430+ years later, in Numbers 24:9, Balaam repeats this statement of blessing/cursing concerning the corporal people of Israel, but it is again made in context of their faith in the singular, good, living, creator God in contrast with the surrounding idol worshipping or polytheistic peoples; not with
respect to genetics or the soon given, temporary conditional national law and rituals delivered through moses in the book/speech of Deuteronomy.

This principle and point of blessing/cursing depending on faith in the singular GOOD Creator God was immediately confirmed as the idol worshipping moabites suffered mortal loss for inducing the israelites into dead idol worship, in addition to the deaths of the isralites who fell into that ‘abomination. See also Point 9 below.

About 500 years after Balaam, David states the then continuing contrast of idolotrous nations with that of the living, creator God.

*[[Psa 96:5/KJV]]* For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.

3. The equality of this blessing with the proto-evangelion of Gen 3:15.

Since the redemption and blessing of humanity had already been foretold to occur through the seed of the woman (and God) in Gen 3:15, (as understoid by Abel, Lamech [Gen 4:24,25] and others, the eventual life blessing promised through Abraham and his ‘seed’ is the same blessing & promise through the crushing of the serpents head in Gen 3:15 by the atonement for, and ending/changing of the law of sin/death to faith & life.

*[[Gen 3:15]] KJV* And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

4. Gen 3:15 is called “my covenant” as it passes through Noah & Abraham.

The covt or promise of mercy/blessing in Gen 3:15 was called ‘my covt’ as it passed through Noah in Gen 6:18 & 9:9,11,13,15; and through Abraham & Isaac in Gen 17. And it took on types and elements of its future fulfillment through these mens experiences and lives.

‘My covenant’ was later termed ‘a’ or ‘the’ covenant as it is given further characteristics while being mentioned to Daniel by the Angel in Dan 9:27, and called the “New” covt in Jer 31:27-32.

Some of the typologies the “my covt” acquired as it passed through Noah were:

A. 8 being saved in the ark, with 8 being the number of the new creation,

B. the release and removal of some “cursedness” through the event. Gen 5:29 as it related to Noah and the flood, and Gal 3:13, & Rev 22:3 as it applied to removing some negative (cursed) aspects of the mosaic covt.

C. the changing of some aspects of a ‘heaven & earth’ through a ‘flood’, Noahs flood changed the physical heavens & earth while Jesus’ flood changed Gods spiritul heavens (ordinances) & earth (domain); Job 38:33, Dan 9:26, Is 54:9,10 Is 59:19; 2 Pet 3:7.

D. and a judgement upon the people who remained with the former ‘heavens & earth.’ (and as applied to the mosaic covt ‘heavens & earth’, Deut 18:15-19; 1 Pet 4:17, 2 Pet 3:7)

Some of the typological aspects aquired or confirmed as the covt passed through Abraham/Isaac were;

A. the miraculous birth of what was termed a ‘only’ son,

B. That son was named and circumcised on the 8th day;

C. righteousness was declared to be by faith in the reality of God’s power to miraculously intervene for Good, and by extension; for faith in his then future promised, ‘only son’. (John 6:28,29)

D. The “sign” of circumcision was given to Abraham.

*[Rom 4:11] KJV* And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

Circumcision symbolized the open exposure of the head (mind and heart) to Gods mercies, love, grace and power by the cutting away of the flesh (works). In Rom 4:1,2 & Gal 3:2,3, the word “flesh” is equated with striving and attempting to appease God or gain or maintain merit, favor or power from God through some sort of religious works rather than by receptive faith. To quote a stanza from a song current to 2015/16; “Clap your hands if you feel like a room without a roof.”

E. the characteristic that the blessing would, by Gods election, be passed through Isaac thus signifying the election of the miraculous birth through faith over the way of doubt or striving in self. (way of the birth of Ishmael) See also Gal 4:21ff.

F. the characteristic of a sacrificial offering of his ‘only son’ which then continued to live. (Gen 22:10-13)

G. that God would provide “himself” a sacrificial lamb (Gen 22:8).

In Gen 17: 2-9; I believe the statements of:

A. his seed being multiplied exceedingly,
B. of generational fullfillment,
C. and of the land promise;

were all attatchments to ‘my covenant’ as indicated by the word “and”. They were/are not the covt of life, blessing, grace, truth & love itself that was promised from Eden and passed through Abraham. They would have thus ceased with the fulfillment of “my covenant” through Christ, but may have spiritual continuance in the eternal (new) covt and its peoples. See point 13 below.

5. The “Great Nation.

It is easy to assume that since God promised to make a “great nation” through Abraham that this referred to a geographic-religious nation of “Israel’.  But Abraham had been declared righteous for believing God’s promise that he (not Nimrod) would bear the blessing of the seed of God; and later, that he would miraculously father a child in their later age long before the mosaic covt nation and apart from works. This birth foretyped the miraculous conception of God and the woman. ( Gen 3:15) Thus, the great nation eventually made through Abraham was/is the righteous nation (Is 9:3; 26:2,5; 55:5; 60:22; 66:8; and in other OT passages) of justification and righteousness by faith in, and subordination to, Christ as God  (John 6:28,29).

I peter 2:9 calls the new covt people a “holy Nation” See also Matt 21:43, Rom 10:19.

Though many individuals within the progression of the descendancies of Abraham/Israel held faith in the living God and his covt of mercy, and though the mosaic covt was temporarily sanctioned to constrain the fruit of life under just the death law of Adam, and to help confirm the coming of the living, loving God to both the jews and other fearfull, insecure and unknowing peoples; both before and during the mosaic covt; the ways and means between the eternal, good covt and the mosaic covts are dissimilar and in contrast. This righteous nation is the nation of individuals redeemed from the law of sin/death & the law of moses and thus redeemed from the presence and fear of death & ‘sin’ (Heb 2:15) through the law and way of the life of Christ (Rom 8:2).

6.   The ‘nation’ of mosaic covt Israel wasn’t birthed until Moses spoke the words of the covt from Mt Nebo just before Joshua crossed Jordan to accept the stipulations and eventual latter end and judgements of the covt. 

The words of Deut 5:1-3 make it clear that the national mosaic covt was NOT made with the fathers, but began that day, at least 430 or more years after the last statements were made to Abraham as passed through Jacob.

*[[Deu 5:1-3/KJV]]*  v 1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.  v 2. The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.  v 3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

And the elements, objectives and principles of the mosaic covt were/are declared to be an anti-type to the ways and means of the New covt, (“my covenant”) as stated by Jeremiah.

*[Jer 31:27-34/KJV]* v 27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast. v 28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD. v 29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children’s teeth are set on edge. v 30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge. [The new covt concerns individuals and their “sin status” before God] v 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: v 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; [The ways, means and characteristics of the mosaic covt. are dis-similar and contrast against [not according to] the ways, means and characteristics of the “new” (to them) covt] which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: v 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I [God] will put my law [by implication
of it being in contrast with mosaic covt law: a NEW LAW]
in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; [Logic truth, righteousness and Goodness are confirmed and established within] and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. v 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, [John 17:3] from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. [Luke 5:21-24; John 6:28,29]

7.   Paul so openly declares that God was ultimately speaking of blessing all humanity through his miraculous, loving and exemplary coming in Jesus in such places as;

*[Gal 3:8] KJV* And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 

*[Gal 3:16] KJV* Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

*[Gal 3:17-18/KJV]* v 17 And this I say, that the covenant,[of love, grace and mercy] that was confirmed before [through Abraham] of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. v 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

*[[Gal 3:29]] KJV* And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Peter adds the same;

*[Act 3:25] KJV* Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

See also James 2:23.

By contrast, those who would misinterpret this as if it was intended to refer to a blessing upon only the genetic descendants (seeds) of Abraham or upon the later, temporary nation of the law of Moses
invoke error and a ‘cursed’ doctrine and way upon themselves as Paul affirms;

*[[Gal 1:8-9/KJV]]* v 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you [such as blessing genetic or national “Israel” to recieve blessed way of life or be ‘saved’ ] than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. v 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

The everlasting covt would come to/through his physical descendants but not exclusively for them. And its elements, principles ways, objectives and means are in contrast against the conditional, ritualistic, temporary ways and means of the national covt as mentioned above and stated by God by Jeremiah:

*[Jer 31:32-34/KJV]* v 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;

See also Ez 25:20 & Isa 65:1,2

Sometimes we as people need to subjectively experience or objectively see the wrong, negative, way of striving in fear and works of the flesh or religious law to help clarify the right, good way of life, truth, freedom and grace through faith recieving.

8.  Abraham testified that he himself was not the source of the blessedness of the covt when he gave tithes to Melckizedec, the king of the city of Peace, a foretype of Christ. Heb 5-7 develops this.

9.   In numbers 22-24 Balaam blesses the people of Israel at a time when they posessed and embodied the testimony of monotheism and the covt of mercy from Gen 3:15 and the patrirchs (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel). This blessing is in direct contrast with the idolotrous beliefs of Balak and his people. Balak had even attempted to ‘curse’ the israelites by causing them to stumble against their own Good beliefs of the monotheistic GOOD God of heaven by enticing some of them into idolotry.

Numbers 24:9 then, is given as a blessing to the people of, and the eventual victory of, the truth, love and grace of the living singular creator God of heaven; in contrast with peoples believing ‘God’ was many gods or to be found or made in inanimate objects. Balaam then in numbers 24:14-24 goes on to tell of the eventual ends of the idol worshiping groups of the area.

This blessing of Numbers 24:9 has nothing to do with genetic identity and is not directly related to the national covt created shortly afterwards. It is related to these people possesing the truth of the singular, living creator God of heaven and earth and the testimony of his covt of love and mercy, in contrast with the curse of the fallacy and falsehood of idols and their worship.

*[Psa 96:5/KJV]* For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.

Just as Balaam’s would not (after being corrected by the donkey) compromise Gods election of blessing to the people entrusted with the testimony of the truth of the living God and the (then future) miraculous covt of mercy & life expressed through Abraham-Jacob; so also, the blessing to the people and way of the now fulfilled miraculous new covt of grace & truth through Jesus and His perpetual, indwelling truths dare not be compromised.  The sons/daughters of God through faith and life in the GOOD name and good truths of Christ are the heirs of the promise as explained in Gal 3:8-29. See also Gal 1:8,9.

10. The writer of Hebrews says that Abraham, Isaac, Israel were looking for a ‘heavenly country’ with GOOD foundations and statutes of God. Thus, they nor the participants of the mosaic instructions had yet recieved the complete principles, instructions and powers of the good way of life and peace of the kingdom of creator God & heaven.

*[Heb 11:9-10/KJV]* v 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: v 10. For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God…………. v 13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. v 14. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. v 15. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. v 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city………… v 39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: v 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

*[[Heb 12:18-19/KJV]]* v 18. For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, v 19. And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: v 22. But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, v. 28. Wherefore we (first century believers/followers) are receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

11.  In contrast and comparison with the false axiom that to bless national or genetic Israel will insure blessing, we have this declaration about the new covt peoples of Christ in Isa 65:16; 

That he who blesseth himself in the earth (in his body/life) shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.

12. Though Abraham also recieved a promise (Gen 17:1-9) that his physical descendants (through Isaac) would, after a captivity in egypt, become as numerous as the stars, and also that he would be a father of MANY nations, this multiplying aspect of procreation applies to almost any pair who’s descendants are recorded over time.

I know of a few Amish and old order mennonite folks who number their children above 10, grandchildren above 100 and great granchildren towards 1000, all within 80 or so years. And my personal paternal namesake has likely tens of 1000’s of present living “cousins” descending from a documented pair in only 250 years and about 13-14 generations.

In addition to the miracles of fatherhood in his later years, was God just telling Abraham that the fulfillment of the promise of blessing & mercy to all peoples of the earth by Gods interventive seed, atonement and love was to come after MANY, MANY generations, and that God would protect the recording of this lineage to help confirm this promised ‘seed, until that seed would come’? The geneologies were destroyed in 70 AD.

Thus, the blessing is not to be equated with having numerous descendants, as it might seem, but with the redemption from edenic death, and forgiveness and canceling of ‘sins’, through faith in the life and new law of one seed; Christ as the miraculous incarnation of the Good, Loving God in fulfillment of Gen 3:15.

13. Paul makes a strong point in Rom 3-5 and Gal 3 that the promise to Abraham was made BEFORE the sign of circumcision (Rom 4::9-14). Circumcision, Paul says, was a sign of righteousness by faith apart from works of flesh and law. (Rom 4:11) He adds that righteousness was imputed for faith in the miraculous birth. (Ron 4:18-22) Ironically, the sign of curcumcision became a work of the flesh under mosaic law.

And in Gal 3 he adds that it was 430 years before the formation of the nation of the law !

Thus the fulfillment of the covt of mercy (gen 3:15) and promise of blessing to Abraham did/does not only apply to/through the physical descendants nor to/through the way and nation of the works of law, [flesh] but to all/any peoples of the earth through individual GOOD faith recieving; apart from those aspects.

*[[Act 17:26]] KJV* And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath (past) determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

*[[Deu 32:8-9/LXXE]]* v 8 When the Most High divided the nations, when he separated the sons of Adam, [Noah] he set the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of God. (sons of Adam) v 9 And his people Jacob became the portion of the Lord, Israel was the line of his inheritance.

This explains that hough the line of his inheiritance was through Isaac & Jacob/Israel as ‘sons of God, the reciipients of the inheiritance through the good truth of the living God as revealed in Jesus are any/all of the sons of Adam (Noah).

14. The problem of Rom 11:25 & 26.

*[[Rom 11:25-26/KJV]]* v 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. v. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Many might still believe in a needed continuation of old covt “Israel” because they believe and have been taught that Rom 11:26 prophecied that all national, genetic or religious “Israel” is to one day be saved after God is finished with saving and rapturing ‘gentiles. But this is not what this passage teaches.

In first century, pre-70 AD timeframe, some individuals of the jews who originally disbelieved the good news of Christs coming were temporarily blinded to the gospel (rom 11:7-10, 25) and some were prophecied to eventually come to faith through the testimony and fullness of God in the believing people of the gentiles, before the soon coming judgement.

Some of those who disbelieved were prophecied to, (deut 32:21, Rom 10:19) and did, become jealous to the point of hounding and persecuting those who proclaimed Jesus and his words as lord; not moses, the rabbis or Caesar. Some eventually became emulators of their faith and believers in Jesus. For the calling and election unto the way of Peace and life of truth through Jesus was/is irrevocable.

The believers and followers of Christ [identified as “all Israel” in ch 9], were prophecied to be relieved from this persecution and recieve continuance, preservation (saving) and favorable judgement by the deliverer coming to the believers through the roman armies. (Deut 32:42, Dan 9:26,27; Is 59:19-21)

And this was indeed the manner (and so) in which the “All Israel” [of God through Christ] were to recieve deliverance. (saving)

For more information and a study on Rom 11 see:

15. The locations of the “TRI-UNE” God was pre-imaged and expressed in Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Abrabam, Isaac, Jacob/Israel all had faith in the good, living, interventive, singular creator God of heaven and walked in Grace and faith of his goodness and future seed of mercy. (Gen 3:15)

These three individuals also pre-characterized and foreimaged the three progressive places of God during the progressive revealing of his person and will.

Abram/Abraham, represents the father; Isaac represented Jesus, the Son, and Jacob/Isrsel represents the changed, good, empowered life of those who become sons/daughters of God by faith recieving Jesus’ person, doctrine, example, will and intent (spirit) within. (Rom 9:6-13,24) This “tri-unity” is also symbolized by the root (Father), trunk (Son/Jesus) and branches (disciples, children of God) of the olive tree in Rom 11 and by Jesse, David and Solomon. (also in Rom 11 & Is 11) and as declared in Rev 22:17.

16. The declaration of righteousness for faith was declared in Gen 15:6 for Abrahams faith that he and Sara would miraculously parent a child in their elder years; NOT just for leaving Ur in obedience to and faith in Gods land promises .

Thus, the present extension of blessings of happiness is to the people of faith (like Abraham) in Christ who are spiritually speaking, the seed of Abraham and are declared “Righteous” for believing in the singular, living , Good Creator and in his supernaturally concieved incarnation, vistation and indwelling. They, (we) experience the LIVING presence, happiness, divine power, rights, will, person, truth and grace of God (John 17:3) through Jesus; casting out and mortifying dead idols and false doctrines while experiencing the new Jerusalem in our lives and hearts during the sojourn of our lives.

Some summary comments repeated from point 1.

Since Abrahams life and experiemces foretyped aspects of the promised everlasting covenant through Christ (the edenic -“my” covt). So also I believe the land promise and the instructions to displace the idolotrous people of Canaan-land foretyped, and found eventual fulfillment in, aspects of the everlasting covenant. By faith in the person, authority, freedom and words of his incarnation and indwelling of Jesus as God; the truths, love, goodness and experiential knowledge of God (John 17:3), displace fear, (Heb 2:15) death, (rom 8:2 etc) ignorance, (Acts 17:30, Eph 4:18) fruitlessness (gal 5:22) and insecurity in the “holy land” of the individual human life.

The Israelites left egypt under moses and began inhabiting (invading) the “promised land” under Joshua @430 -470 yrs after the promises were made to Abraham. The Holy (Good) Spirit of Christ began indwelling and “invading” the “promised land” of the heart and life through the everlasting covt (Gen 3:15) under Jesus @430 years after Malachi, the last prophet to prophecy to Israel.

A further analogy and correlation of the ‘holy land’ could be made to the ‘river’ of Ezekiel 47. The river of life in Christ laws of love, truth, divinity and freedom has boundaries (banks) and absolute laws just as the ‘holy land’ had two rivers for boundaries. Two possible laws that might be intended by these imageries are the law of faith (John 5:19-24; 6:28,29, Rom 3:27-31; 1 John 3:22-24) and the law of the divinity, love and goodness of life and humanity including its procreational and regenerational design. (Matt 19:4-6; John 13:34; I John 3:24)

A similar analogy could be made to a baseball field which has two “foul lines”. Things between the foul lines are “in play”.

Thus the present and eternal will, way and character of the Good, living, singular God is revealed through Jesus words and person; being contrast not only against multideistic religions and their false gods and idols, but contrast also against the ways of the mosaic covenant (heb 8:7-9) as the prophecied “new prophet” of deut 18:15-18.

*[[Joh 1:17]] KJV* For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

*[[Deu 18:18-19/KJV]]* v 18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. v 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

*[[Act 3:22/KJV]]* For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

Thus the blessing to the present people of monotheism are those of faith, authority & freedom in a personal, trancendant, caring, GOOD, Creator and of his incarnation/ & continued indwelling in Jesus . They (we) would bless themselves by believing and following the divine person, truths and teachings of Jesus.

As John confirms in his letters;

*[[1Jn 5:11-12 KJV]]* And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. v 12, He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

*[[1Jn 2:23/KJV]]* Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

*[[2Jn 1:9/KJV]]* Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

And as Isaiah prophecied;

*[[Isa 65:16]] KJV That he who blesseth himself in the earth [through Jesus] shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes

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Romans 13; Render unto Caesar; The temple tax incident

These 3 passages are usually referred to as part of the teaching that it is a Christians duty to pay taxes and to support whatever “Caesar”  or the Govt requests or requires of you.

This article will discuss each of these passages and reveal that none of them instruct the believer to render tribute or taxes to “Ceasar” or to ideologies or administrations foreign to the Good principles, Govt, (Is 9:6,7) Will and Truths of God for life as revealed through his incarnation in Jesus.


*[[Mat 17:24-27/KJV]]*  v 24  And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?  v 25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?  v 26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.  v 27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

Many since Ireneous  have assumed and taught that this was a Roman tax, and that Jesus was instructing the reluctant support and payment of that tax..  it was not.  It was a tax to support mosaic covt temple(s) and their administrations.  It was first instructed as a one time event by Moses in Ex 30:12, then appealed to by Joash and later by Nehemiah.  By the time of Jesus, the leaders of Judaism had turned it into an enforced (Acts 17:9) yearly tax.

Jesus pulled Peter aside to instruct him after Peter had assumed that Jesus would follow the custom of paying the mosaic covt temple administration tax.

Jesus likened himself to a [the] King of the earth and King of life, and his disciples as the Kings children, free from and foreign to the mosaic covt [or Roman] religion and administration.  (John 19:12; Luke 23:2, Acts 17:4-9) He was inaugragating a new administration based on grace and truths of life and its goodness  (John 1:17) where the believers bodies and lives are the temple of the living God.  John the baptist had already been preaching a repentence from mosaic covt principles and way in preparation for the ikngdom of heaven.

To ‘cover’ for Peters blurtation, Jesus instructed Peter to obtain a coin from the mouth of a fish in the lake where Peter would  have fished just before following Jesus and his new administration. In this manner Peter was paying the temple tax from the man of his former understanding and allegience.

  Jesus shared responsibility for the error of the blurtation with Peter since he himself (as God pre-incarnate)  had given the foundations for the tax through Moses.  Peter obtained payment for himself and Jesus, and Jesus used the event to continue to instruct Peter (and the others) of the contrasting characteristics, principles and elements between the mosaic law and nation and Gods new way of peace, grace and truth. (John 1:17) 

It’s unlikely that Peter paid the temple tax from this point forward.  If they did, the payments would have likely stopped at the crucifiction when Jesus fulfilled the foretypes of the lamb sacrifice included as part of mosaic covt instructions.

Though the principles (Is 61:8; Matt 17:25,26) for the disciples treatment of the Roman poll & tribute tax would be the same, this particular tax was dealing with a jewish temple administration tax. See also: Rom 3:19, I Tim 1:9


Romans 13 was a continuation of the topics of Romans 11 & 12: (such as vs 12:19)  and previous chapters.  

In chapters 10:19 & 11:11 he had been telling them that some of the jews who initially disbelieved were temporarily blinded (11:25) but prophecied to become jealous unto faith of the believers from among the gentiles (former israel tribes and romans) who were recieving (11:25) the freedom & fullness of God. This jealousy, and the religious enmity that the jews already had towards any of their members who had left the law and believed in Christ, was causing them to persecute believers wherever they were found. Towards the end of ch 11, (11:31) he says that some of these who were jealous were to recieve mercy from the believers who also had once disbelieved, but who had recieved mercy through the apostles. Then in ch 12: 1,2 he adds the imagery of being living sacrifices; dead to solely their own goals and guards of self preservation but alive to mercifully sharing and embodying the goodness, truths and grace of God. Later in chapter 12 & just before ch 13 he writes;

*[[Rom 12:14]] KJV* Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

*[[Rom 12:17]] KJV* Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

*[[Rom 12:19-21]] KJV* Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. v 20. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. v. 21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

It is in this context that Paul pens the words of Rom 13;

*[[Rom 13:1-8/KJV]]*  v 1. Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.  v 2.  Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, [of Gods protection] resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.  v 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:  v 4  For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.  v 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.  v 6 For this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.   v 7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.  v 8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

It has been long taught since Ireneous, and easy to assume that the higher powers of Rom 13:1 was referring to the govt of Rome and by modern extension to whatever calls itself govt weather right or wrong. It does not refer to the govt of rome or other secularly engineered govt. From the context of ch 12, vs 19, he was instructing first century believers to not take vengeance on their enemies who were persecuting them, but to submit and defer to the imminent living judgement of the most High (God) as prophecied in Deut 32; Isaiah 59, Dan 7 and many other places. This judgement of God was to come through the roman invasion of 70 AD as prophecied in Deut 32:42 and Dan 9:26, but, the Romans themselves were reacting with fury and revenge against a jewish revolt and slaughter of the one legion of the army; not in direct protection of the rightness and divine rights to life of the believers.

*[[Deu 32:42]] KJV* I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges (that is) upon the enemy.

The nkjv reads; from the long haired heads of the leaders of enemy (the Romans)

*[[Dan 9:26]] KJV* And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

God had been referred to as the most high 19 times in Psalms, 12 in Daniel, 4 in Genesis, 2 in Hosea and Lamentations and once each in Numbers, Deueteronomy, 2 Samuel, Isaiah and Ezekiel.

This first century experience of Romans 13 correlates to the prophecy of Dan 7 where the followers of the lamb (Jesus) were called saints of the most high.

*[[Dan 7:18/KJV]]* But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

*[[Dan 7:22/KJV]]* Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

*[[Dan 7:25/KJV]]* And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

*[[Dan 7:27/KJV]]* And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

The saints of the most high were to (and did) defer vengeance and wrath unto Divine authority through Jesus, the Angels and the Romans.

Thus the higher powers of Rom 13:1,2 was and is the interventive powers and favorable judgement on the rightness and right to life of the followers of the lamb and his law of faith. (John 6:28,29)

For further discussion of Rom 13 and Render to Caesar see also


*[[Luk 20:20-25/KJV]]*  v 20 And they watched him, and sent forth spies, which should feign themselves just men, that they might take hold of his words, that so they might deliver him unto the power and authority of the governor. v 21  And they asked him, saying, Master, we know that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God truly:  v 22 Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no?  v 23 But he perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye me?  v 24  Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar’s.  v 25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar’s, and unto God the things which be God’s.

The question of weather to pay tribute to Caesar or not was asked by agents sent by the Pharisees or Herodians to attempt to trick Jesus into confessing either disallegience or allegience to Caesar.  If he confessed or instructed allegience to Caesar they would have been able to accuse him to the jews and the nation.  If he would have confessed dis-allegience to Caeser they would have informed the romans and attempted to bring trouble against Jesus that way. And in fact this is what they did.

*[[Luk 23:2]] KJV* And they began to accuse him, saying, We found this fellow perverting the nation, and forbidding to give tribute to Caesar, saying that he himself is Christ a King. See also Acts 17:4-9

His response was likewise directed to them, not his dicsiples, but addressed both groups.  Those with allegience & fear towards Ceasar [as Lord] bore his inscription with their labor and life, and were to render tribute to Ceasar. Those with allegience to Jesus as King bore his inscription and were to be free to render tribute and honour to Jesus/God, themselves and others. (Love your neighor AS yourself).

Its often thought that Jesus was instructing his disciples to render a portion to Caesar and govt and to render tithe or whatever portion determined to God.   This is NOT the instruction given by Jesus and he was not speaking directly to his disciples. He was instructing the scribes  to decide their allegience and thus citizenship. 

It had been prophecied in Jer 31 that at this time, the houses of Judah and Israel were to be sown with the seed (intent and desires) of men (to rule over others) and beast. (devouring) Thus there was little difference in spirit and principle between Romans [the 4th kingdom beast of Dan 2 & 7] and Jews under mosaic law.  Both would have likely wanted pre-eminence and dominion and there is evidence of a growing secret jewish influence (intelligence with) in Rome.

Just a few days later the scribes proclaimed their disloyalty to,  and faithlessness in Jesus , shouting “we have no king but Caesar.

Thus, none of these passages individually or collectively instruct a payment of support or tribute taxes to ideologies or systems foreign to the good  kingdom of peace and truths of God and life through Jesus.

The U.S. code of regulations confirms and is in respect and tribute to these points.

They define citizenship as having  allegience to a state.  A state is logically a collection of statements, beliefs, principles and ideologiea.  A “system” if you will. And the liability for [federal] income taxes is assessed on those who are citizens of (have given allegience to) the govornment of the exclusive federal military district of Columbus and its statements, principles, beliefs and declarations, or to residents physically or politically ‘residing’ within the district of Columbus, one of the federal territorial states, or their alledgedly needful military lands and properties within the several states.

These were/are also some of the reasons for the distinctions between direct and indirect taxes in the Constitution.   Direct federal taxes on wealth, payments and labor of State nationals and other non-citizen ‘aliens’ [8 USC 1101,14] who had not knowingly professed direct allegience or willing subjugation to the federal, international military state of art 1, sect 8, clause 17), was and still is unconstitutional.

Just before passing the federal, U.S. citizen amendment, (the 14th amendment;) congress, needing to respect state nationality, the non-militant, loving kingdom and dominion of Christ, and the free changing to a different geographical and political nation; passed the expatriation Act. (U.S. public statute 15). Its provisions and purposes are stated in its preamble. Summarized, it permits those (such as the recently ‘freed’ but ‘citizenized’ and subjected slaves) who find themselves in a citizenship foreign to their allegieces and principles, or who reconsider and change their allegience after becoming U.S. [federal] citizens, [ even in the midst of battle], the free opportunity to expatriate and change their political status or even change their geographic nation.

The scriptures pertaining to the new covt people also agree saying in Isaiah;

*[[Isa 61:8/KJV]]* For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery (Acts 17:9) for burnt offering; (forcing someone to support an administration against his/her beliefs) and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting [perpetual] covenant with them.

*[[Isa 65:16/KJV]]* That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.

In contrast with the teaching of govt as the “higher powers” of Rom 13, Is 9:6,7 prophecied that the govt of God towards humanity rested on Jesus shoulders and there was to be no end to the increase of HIS govornment (of grace & truths from john 1:17).

*[[Isa 9:6-7/KJV]]*  v 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.   v 7  Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, (Jesus) and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

There are several places (Ez 37:24, Hosea 1:11 zech 14:9), where the new covt people are prophecied and did (and do) appoint one head, one king, one shepherd.

Since the law came by Moses but Grace and truth through Christ Jesus, (John 1:17) the Govt of Immanuel should logically be based on his good truths. Some examples of these truths might include a declaration of the divine origins and good will of God for life, his GOOD intent and will in having a two gendered procreational design, of 100 year lifespans, and the continuation of the earth. Also, his desire and will for people to abstain from warfare and get along in peace Other aspects which stem from these truths would be to instruct the need to voluntarily govorn and even reduce population to live within healthy parameters as dictated by water and land use needs for wildlife, aquatic, food, recreation and other needs. Still other aspects are the better management of waste recycling including the eventual redeemption of landfills and elimination of non- biodegradables, non recycleables and spent uranium; restoring the quality of foods regarding nutrient levels; managing and balancing the harvesting of resources rather than raping the earth for profit, and investing in restoring and maintaining the ecology.,

No man can serve two masters, (lords) they cannot serve both agnostic, atheistic or even anti-theistic corporate profit (mammon) and serve the divine truths for life through subsequent generations.

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The meaning of the word ‘body’ as a foundation for understanding 1 cor 15:35-44.

This is a study of the use of the word ‘body’, as used in the N.T., in the O.T., in common language and language of law to mean a collection of doctrine, teachings or beliefs, and/or the people who embody them.

These beliefs become assymilated in the soul and life experience, and become part of the substance and ‘body’ of the WHOLE person. The “body” of a persons beliefs and doctrines answers the questions; “What are you made of?, what do you stand for,? what are your beliefs, principles and convictions?

Since the beliefs, law, truths and way of Christ were ‘ingested’ and eaten by believers in Jesus as God in the first century, they became a plural, corporal continuation of the doctrine, “person” and thus “body” of God/Christ. In the first century setting, the plural “body” of individuals in Christ needed publicly judged as righteous, true and favored in contrast with the natural, Adamic man under the edenic or mosaic law.

In John 6, Jesus teaches that to ingest the spirit and life of his words (vs 63) is to eat his flesh (body) and drink his blood. I believe that the blood represents the life-will even unto death.

John 6:53-63/KJV v 53. Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. v 55. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. v 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. v 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. v 58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: (John 6:28,29); not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. v 59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. v 60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? v 61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? v 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? v 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Then in Matt 26 During the symbolic breaking of bread, He reinforces the point that the bread (words & truths) is his body and the wine his blood.

*Mat 26:26-29/KJV* v 26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. v 27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; v 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. v 29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.

Vs 29, I believe, can be shown to refer to and be fulfilled in Luk 24:30-31; v 30, And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. v 31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

Here it doesn’t say that Jesus actually ate the broken bread, (which symbolized his own body and doctrine) but departed that they (the apostles) might eat and ’embody’ his resurrected and verified words and truths. Jesus had taught them that the kingdom of God was (would be) within them, and (HE) was now supporting and inaugragating the kingdom indwelling by distributing the (his) “bread” while physically departing from their presence. In the same timeframe, in John 20:22, Jesus had breathed on them saying recieve the (indwelling) holy Spirit. I believe the two actions by Jesus had the same, overlapping meaning, thus equating the indwelling truths and doctrines of God and Jesus bread as the holy Spirit. Jesus was still eating and drinking the bread & wine with them in the fathers kingdom as the holy Spirit within them.

In the letter of first corinthians, Paul expands upon this teaching, of Christ as the bread, meat and “body”. Paul emphasizes that they are (should have) one body of belief and doctrine, but are many members, tools and expressions outflowing from the one good doctrine and set of beliefs. Notice that as far back as chapter 6, Paul mentions physical meats and the physical individual body in a perishing way, as he begins to allude to Jesus teaching of John 6 . Paul then reminds the readers that the body and life of Christ indwelling is not to be compromised and adultered (fornication)) and can’t be purchased. (harlotry)

*[[Joh 6:27]] KJV* Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

*1Co 6:13/KJV* Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

*1Co 6:19/KJV* What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

*1Co 10:16/KJV* The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion (common union) of the body (doctrine, way & ttuths) of Christ?

*1Co 10:17/KJV* For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. (one way)

*1Co 11:24/KJV* And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

*1Co 12:12/KJV* For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

*1Co 12:13/KJV* For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (intent, will and doctrine)

*1Co 12:14/KJV* For the body is not one member, but many.

*1Co 12:18/KJV* But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

*1Co 12:20/KJV* But now are they many members, yet but one body.

*1Co 12:25/KJV* That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

*1Co 12:27/KJV* Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

I cor 15:35-41 below is a continuation and extension of 12:4-14,20 & 27-31. It explains that the resurrected individuals of the corporal body of Christ would retain their individuality and identity at the time of the resurrection and victorious change.

*1Co 15:35/KJV* But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

*1Co 15:37/KJV* And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

*1Co 15:38/KJV* But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

*1Co 15:44/KJV* It is sown a natural body; (adamic man under edenic ‘sin’). it is raised a spiritual body. (God-man freed and empowered by faith in Christ) There is a natural body, (Adamic man) and there is a spiritual body. (Sons/daughters of God in grace through faith in Jesus.)

Then in a section of Isaiah which can be easily associated with the timeframe of the growth of the nation of Christ and thus 30-70 AD events, we have the prophecy that the believers would rise along with Christ’s dead ‘body’ while those of the disbelieving body of Moses would not.

*[[Isa 26:12-14/KJV]]* v 12 LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us. v 13 O LORD our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by thee [Jesus] only will we make mention of thy name. v 14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish. *Isa 26:19/KJV* Thy (God/Jesus’) dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Though there had been a private vindicative, approving and rescuccitating appearance after his resurrection, (Hosea 6:2) there would be a public return in the clouds, and the public resurrection & victorious change of the individuals of Jesus corporal body of Peace in 66-70 .

Paul has quoted Is 28:12 in 1 cor 14:21, confirming that these Isaiah passages are in his mind as he writes the letter and supports that they have first century application weather 30 AD or 70 AD or both.,

And in a passage of Is 59, with a timed fulfillment in @ 40-68 AD we see that the persecuted adherants to Christ doctrine, truths and way considered themselves as dead, but awaiting deliverence and resurrection.

*Isa 59:10 KJV* We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noonday as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men.

Thus, summarizing; Jesus, and then Paul use the word “body” to refer to Jesus’ doctrine, words and truths and those who recieve, ingest and “embody” them. The “resurrection of this body”, I believes refers to the resurrection and changing of this people group of Christ from being politically and religiously treated “as dead”, and their public vindication in the context of the deaths of Adamic/Edenic, Nimrodic (multi-deity idolotry) or Mosaic ‘bodies”, and those who retained them. (Is 28:14-21)

*[[Isa 28:14-21/KJV]]* v 14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. v 15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, (they say their is no resurrection, no hope rrom futility in Adamic-garden law & death) and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: v 16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. v 17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. v 18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. v 19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. v 20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it. v 21 For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.

We (I) also affirm a continuation of the spirit and angel (soul/spirit body?) of each one after death, which aspect Paul affirms in Acts 23:6-8 and I believe talks of in 1 Thess 4:16,17, and 1 cor 15:33 &51,52.

Thus, in Ist corinthians, after talking of a unified, yet individual body of Christs doctrine and truths, why would Paul change in chapt 15 to refer to an alledged future eternal reconstitution of the physical bones and flesh during an alledged future physical restoration of the earth to a pre flood, pre-fall environment? The curse on the earth had already been eased through Noahs flood. (Gen 4:29). The question is if physical death of the body was part of the death judgement incurred from eden.

To further confirm this view and meaning of the word “body”, we look to Jude’s use of it in his epistle.

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

What is meant by the “body of Moses”?   Did the angel fight with Satan about moses’ physical bones? Consider these cross references to help your contemplation.

1. Dan 10:13;  But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

2. Dan 12:1; And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

3. Zec 3:2  And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

4. 2Pe 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

5. Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought with Michael.

2Co 3:7-13; 7.  But if the ministration of death, [body & law of Moses] written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:  8.  How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?  9. For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.  12. Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13. And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

John Gills commentary of Jude 1:9 recognizes that some understand vs 9 to mean the physical body of moses but then states his contrasting personal understanding;

but it is best of all to understand it of the law of Moses, which is sometimes called Moses himself, Joh 5:45; and so the body of Moses, or the body of his laws, the system of them; just as we call a system of laws, and of divinity, such an one’s body of laws, and such an one’s body of divinity: and this agrees with the language of the Jews, who say, of statutes, service, purification, that they are גופי התורה, “the bodies of the law” and so of Misnic treatises, as those which concern the offerings of turtle doves, and the purification of menstruous women, that they are גופי, “the bodies” of the traditions s, that is, the sum and substance of them: so the decalogue is said to be “the body of the Shema”, or “Hear, O Israel”, De 6:4, so Clemens of Alexandria says, that there are some who consider the body of the Scriptures, the words and names, as if they were, το σωμα του μωσεως, “the body of Moses”

The Angel Michael was not wrestling with the devil about Moses physical bones, but about the temporary rightness but continued inefficacy of Moses law (and the garden law) and thus the devils ability or inability to accuse God, or condemn humanity based on either garden or mosaic law. This was due to a new law and new creation being enacted by God in truth in Christ. Paul touches on these things in 2 Cor 3 above.

Furthermore, consider these among the several definitions of the word “body” in Websters dictionary.

2. Matter, as opposed to spirit.

3. A person; a human being; sometimes alone; more generally, with some or no; as, somebody; nobody.

5. A collective mass; a number of individuals or particulars united; as the body of mankind. Christians united or the Church is called the body, of which each Christian is a member, and Christ the head.

7. A corporation; a number of men, united by a common tie, by one form of government, or by occupation; as the legislative body; the body of the clergy; body corporate; body politic.

10. A pandect; a general collection; a code; a system; as a body of laws; a body of divinity.

The letter of Romans is yet another place to see the corporal and covanental use of the word ‘body’. In chapters 4-8 & 12, Paul often refers to the body in a corporate doctrinal or covanental sense such as *[[Rom 6:6/KJV]* Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin [covenant of death made with Adam] might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. [the body of the edenic law or its enmities or effects.]

Most uses of the word body in this section refer to the corporal or covanental sense. Here is another example from Romans

*[[Rom 7:4/KJV]]* Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; [by the authority of his new words and the new law of faith & love; John 5:19-24; 6:28,29; not just his death] that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, [verified from heaven] that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Ephesians and Colossians also contain several corporal or covanental uses of the word body.

Thus the “body” of Moses was the temporary inferior law and way of Moses.

The “body”of Adamic humanity under just the edenic law of “sin and “death” (without faith towards the edenic promise of Gen 3:15) would have been referred to as the body of flesh, body of sin, works, (striving), fear, & insecurity and thus, “death”. The body of Moses was a ‘corporal’, public version of conditional law, flesh, insecurities, fear, etc. BOTH would have been and are in contrast with the “body”, spirit and GOOD life of God/Christ continuing in and raising the soul of humanity through the indwelling of truths and love.

In John 3, Jesus affirmed to the Pharisees; Marvel not that ye must be born again; born a new way, from Adam/law, to freedom & life through the spirit; intent and will, of God/Jesus law of truth & love. That which is flesh (striving in Adam and edenic or Moses law) is flesh; that which is spirit (rest, freedom and life in the grace and life of Jesus) is “spirit” (of the GOOD intent, will and life of God).

From the ISBE definition of “BODY”:

#4. The Body and Sin: From all this it is apparent that the body in itself is not necessarily evil, a doctrine which is taught in Greek philosophy, (and indirectly in Ireneousian, fundamentalist, and most ‘christian’ theology; my addition), but nowhere in the Old Testament and New Testament. The rigid and harsh dualism met with in Plato is absent from Paul’s writings, and is utterly foreign to the whole of Scripture. Here we are distinctly taught, on the one hand, that the body is subordinated to the soul, but on the other, with equal clearness, that the human body has a dignity, originally conferred upon it by the Creator, who shaped it out of earth, and glorified it by the incarnation of Christ, the sinless One, though born of a woman.

The so called “christian” belief that procreational physical lifecycles, aging and death is evidence and proof that the body and life of humanity is still under ‘sin’ and thus subject to, and demanding a yet future physical resurrection to a alledged restored eternal edenic state is thus shown to be a false and erroneous doctrine in need of confession and cleansing. (I John 1:7-9) It is similar to the doctrine of Plato and the greek philosophers. In christiandom, it stems mostly from Ireaneous and other writers, not from Creator Jesus or his apostles.

The “body of individuals of humanity were in temporary ignorance, insecurity and fear (death) under the realm and condeming effect of Adamic (garden) and mosaic law. The victorious fulfilling of the coming of the seed promised to humanity through the woman AND his law (John 6:28,29, Rom 3:27-31; I John 3:21-24) ) of adoption, security, divinity and freedom cancels and destroys that fear, insecurity, “death” and enmity, and enables the willing seeker to be successful in glorifying God in ones life. (rom 3:23,24) Thats why the authority of the law of faith (John 6:28,29; Rom 3:27-31) is stressed in context with the ‘sin’ of coming short of the glory of God in Rom 3:23-31. It is the begining axiom to remedy the previous inability to glorify God.

Thus, the first century public resurrection of the “dead” soul in Adam (and Moses) partly the public approval of the free adhearants of Christ, and the associated public disapproval of the ways of moses or pagan babylon.

The truths and “body” of Christ resurrected could need a similar resurrection from the religious “body” of the interpretations of Ireneous and from the oppression of insubordinate, disbelieving, dishonouring corporate “bodies” calling itself govornment.

For lately we have lived in a jungle.

Steve Miller Band; Jungle Love

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Will the real “Word of God” please stand up?

Here we have two men.

On the left we have Mr. Bible with the name embossed on his forehead. The names of the books are inscribed on his sleeves and the words “The bible is the Word of God” is printed on the chest of his clothes.

On the right we have Mr. jesus with his name embossed on his forehead and the verses of John 1:1-4 and Hebrews 1:1-4  on each sleeve. The words “The Word of God is embossed on the chest of his clothes.

Will the real “Word of God” please stand up.

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When and why God commited “suicide”.

Some christians carry anger towards those that call themselves jews because they (their religious ancestors) rejected and killed Jesus.

It might be difficult for some jews to accept Christ as Messiah as that would first require them to accept that their rabbis teachings and their religion have been wrong. It would require them to rethink and reconsider the nature and person of the Messiah and the manner in which he was to continue forever.

Some jews further oppose Christ as Messish due to the common Christian teaching that Christ died to take on the punishment of our sins, saying that one man or person cannot rightfully take on the liability for another man’s sins.  This is partly accurate, but lacks understanding of the person, and reasons behind the statement. It lacks understanding that as prophecied and logically and reasonably deduced, God himself died [and needed to die] to take upon himself the penaties and enmities which the law of ‘death’ had effected., thereby cancelling the law, its chastisements, enmities and power.

The word sin primarily means “missing the mark.” The “Mark” of the conditional garden law of disobedience and “death” was instituted by God when mankind was in his infancy and ignorance [Acts 17:30] about God, his-self and about life. If the original ‘mark” was the instruction to not eat of the tree of knowledge of Good & Evil and yet the outside influence of a tempter was permitted, didn’t God himself, in love for his beloved humanity, bare part of the responsibility for allowing that environment and thus also bare the responsibility to remedy the effects of the environment and create a new law and new environment?

And this is what is represented in the prophets and by Paul.

*[[Isa 53:5]] KJV* But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised [Gen 3:15] for our iniquities: the chastisement of our [lack of] peace was upon him [upon his shoulders]; and with his stripes we are healed. [healed from the enmity, fear and things induced from the ‘death’ of the garden law].

Mankinds foreknown and foreordained failure against the conditional garden law and its judgements created fear, insecurity, seperation, (death) and enmity:
a. between man and God,
b. between the man and woman;
c. between man and his inner man,
d. and between man and his fellow man.

The failure against the law was given a immediate future remedy, (Gen 3:15) but even that remedy led to further enmity as Cain in jealousy slew Abel after Abels offering of faith & understanding of the need of a future sacrifice of innocence was favored over Cain’s (likely begrudged) offering and acceptance of the “curse” & punishment of labor and toil from the fields. (Gen 3:16-18) This “curse” on the ground was soon eased by God and the flood (Gen 4:29) and through the faith proclamations of such men as Abel, Lamech & Noah.

Christ/God himself, in partial responsibility, took upon himself the personal (and later corporal) effects and enmities of the garden law including ritualistic religions stemming from Nimrod and Babylon.  God/Christ atoned by his blood for even the jealous effects unto the shedding of the blood by Cain which the good, remedial promise (Gen 3:15) had, so that we might know the Good (law of grace, love & truth) and the evil ( legalism, religion & fear) and choose the Good. (Deut 30:15,16)

*[Joh 1:29] KJV* The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

*[[Rev 13:8 ]]KJV* And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, [beast] whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

*[[Act 2:23]] KJV* Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

*[Heb 2:14-15/KJV]* v 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; v 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Thus it was neccessary for God himself to die a reciprocating death to atone for, reverse and bear the foreknown and foreordained enmities and effects which the law of death caused on the earth. Jesus/God cancelled and replaced the law of sin/death with the law of faith and life in himself, nailing the old law to his tree with Him.

*[[Act 17:30]] KJV* And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Thus Jesus/God was not killed by the jews, but responsibly permitted his atoning self orchestrated and purposed death foreplanned from the foundation of the world. 

*[[Joh 10:18/KJVLite]]* No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

*[[Joh 14:28-31/KJV]]* v 28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. v 29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. v 30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh,and hath nothing in me. v 31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

*[[Act 2:23]] KJV* Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

*[[Rev 13:8/KJV]]* And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, (beast) whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

In his coming, he eradicated the stipulative garden law, replacing the enmity (death), fear and insecurity with unconditional love, peace, grace, and truth through faith. We should live in the freedoms (and constraints) of the teachings, example and truths of the new Adam and his love.

*[[Rev 20:14/KJV]]* And death (enmity, hate, striving) and hell (conditional, fear inspired authoritative religions) were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death (spiritual, soul and mind enmity with God of the inner man)

For those jews who might find it difficult to accept that Jesus was Messiah due to the fact that it would require that they acknowledge that they had killed the(ir) messiah, understanding how & why his being killed was required, to be the atonement and light for all men, may help them leave judaism and recieve Jesus as the creators loving, good incarnation to all humanity.

He (and the seed promised through Eve) was/is the symbolic intent of Abel’s experience, of Lamechs proclamation, of Noahs experience; of the characteristics of the seed being passed through Abraham/Sara’s experience[and the confirming physical lineage] in Gen 12, 15 & 17.

*[[Isa 53:5-12/KJV]]* v 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised [Gen 3:15] for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [for our previous lack of peace] was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. v 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. v 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. v 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. v 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. v 10p Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. v 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. v 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Thus, how did Jesus’ soul make an offering for sin or become an intercessor for the transgressors? How did his dying, bear our iniquities?
By changing and cancelling the law of enmity, and taking on its punishment, the accuser of the bretheren is cast out while God and his beloved humanity continue and are changed. Rom 8:28

The strength of ‘sin'” is the law and where there is no law, there is no sin or transgression. He called the law of sin/death bad, and established the law of faith (John 6:28,29 Rom 3:27-31) as GOOD, life and righteousness.

*[[Rom 4:15]] KJV* Because the law worketh wrath: [enmity] for where no law is, there is no transgression.

*[[1Co 15:55-56/KJV]]* v 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? v 56 The sting of death is sin; (missing the mark) and the strength of sin (missing the mark) is the law.

To just say that “Jesus died for ‘my’ sin” can imply an intended continuation of; his dying, of law, and thus of “my sin.” It is weak and incomplete compared to understanding that the authority of missing the mark (sin) was the conditional law of death which induced enmity and fear. God/Jesus didn’t just ‘die for my “sin” ‘ but atoned for and rightfully accepted upon himself the enmity which his law had temporarily effected; thereby killing that law, its accuser and”death” while replacing it with laws of faith, goodness, truth, grace and Life. The law of the life in Christ living within displaced and superceded the law of death.

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10 key verses historically misunderstood which, when corrected, support preterism .

1.  The words “times and seasons”.
It’s often claimed and stated using Acts 1 & 1 Thess 5 that we are not to know the time or season of his coming.

[Acts 1:7;] And he said unto them, It is not for you to know [greek; for experience] the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
*[1Th 5:1]* But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

But “times and seasons” is a phrase referring to the feasts and festivals comemmorating events of the 40 year time, from leaving egypt to crossing Jordan while establishing the temporary nation of the mosaic covt. 

In such places as Exodus 23, lev 9, lev 23 & numbers 28 & 29, the people are instructed that these feast and festival commemorations are to be observed in their times and seasons.  Here is an example from each chapter.

*[[Exo 23:14]] KJV* Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year.

*[[Exo 23:17]] KJV* Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD.

*[[Num 9:2/KJVLite]]* Let the children of Israel also keep the passover at his appointed season.

*[[Lev 23:4]] KJV* These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

*[[Num 28:2]] KJV* Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, My offering, and my bread for my sacrifices made by fire, for a sweet savour unto me, shall ye observe to offer unto me in their due season.

Numbers 29:39 These things ye shall do unto the LORD in your set feasts,

Using these words in Acts 1 and 1 Thess 5:1, Jesus, (Acts 1) and the apostle (1 Thess 5:1) were affirming that though the apostles were not (all) to experience the topics being discussed, but that they would occur during the next 40 yrs, fulfilling and replacing the mosaic covt feasts and festivals, (times and seasons) while confirming and establishing the new, good nation of the new, everlasting covt and way of Jesus.

These are some verses which speak of the new indwelling kingdom of God through Jesus as a nation.

*[[Isa 26:2/KJV]]* Open ye the gates, that the righteous nation which keepeth the truth may enter in.
*[[Isa 26:15/KJV]]* Thou hast increased the nation, O LORD, thou hast increased the nation: thou art glorified: thou hadst removed it far unto all the ends of the earth.
*[[Isa 51:4/KJV]]* Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, (John 5:19-24, 6:28,29; Rom 3:31; Matt 16:18-21; 1 John 3:22-24) and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.

*[[Isa 55:5/KJV]]* Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.

*[[Isa 60:22/KJV]]* A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the LORD will hasten it in his time.

*[[Isa 66:8/KJVLite]]* Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

That the mosaic covt nation was anti-thetical to the mosaic covt way is seen in such places as Jer 31:27-29 with the words “not like”; in Ez 20:1-25ff and in Is 65:1,2 as quoted in Rom 10:21.

In Acts 1, the Angel states that the apostles would not know these times and seasons.  (“know” is a greek word that can mean “EXPERIENCE”) They WOULD all recieve power and experience the feast of Pentacost together when the spirit descended like fire and they recieved the ability of tongues.. Stephen was stoned within a few years of that Pentacost. All but John suffered martydom prior to 70 AD. It had been suggested in John 21:18-23 that John would live through the persecutions and WOULD experience (know) the times and seasons of the next 40 years.

[Acts 1:7;] And he said unto them, It is not for you to know [experience] the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

*[[Joh 21:18-23/KJV]]* v 18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. v 19. This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me. v 20. Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? v 21. Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? v 22. Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. v 23. Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?

Furthermore, in 1 Thess 5:1,4;  Paul tells his first century readers that they were not in the dark concerning the times and seasons that the day would overtake them surprisingly.

They were aware of the 40 year timeframe and were not to be surprised or overtaken by the transpiring events.

*[[1Th 5:1,4]] KJV* But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. …. v 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.  *[[1Th 5:5]] KJV* Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

See also

(Matt 24:36 & Mark 13:32) with zech 14:6-9.

Mark 13:32. But of that day and that hour knoweth (fully comprehended) no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

This verse is often appealed to along with Acts 1 and 1 Thess 5 to reaffirm the idea that we are not to know the “date” or the hour of his coming. But the words are; “OF”   that day, no man knoweth……. Jesus was not saying that no one would know the day (date) nor hour, but was saying that no man, nor angel, nor the son had seen or understood the culture and spiritual environment of the day of the  new heavens and earth of establishing of the new covt.

The preposition “OF” declares added description about the event (day) that he’s been talking about in the olivet, not a statement about the date.  I believe that Jesus is bringing zech 14:6-8 into the olivet discourses narrative about 70 AD.

*[[Mat 24:36]] KJV* But OF that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

*[[Zec 14:6-9/KJV]]* v 6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: v 7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. %v 8% And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. v 9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

3.  2 Peter 3;  

[[2Pe 3:10]] KJV* But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Peter 1:16-21 defines that 2 Peter 3 is referring to the destruction of the mosaic covt  by fire, not the physical earth.

*[[2Pe 1:18-19/KJV]]* v 18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. v 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.

Vs 19 mentions a prophecy of the voice being heard from heaven.  This is a referral to deut 18:15-19 which prophecied the removal of the disbelieving part of the people at the time of the coming of the new prophet.

*[[Deu 18:15-19/KJV]]* v 15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; v 16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. v 17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. v 18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. v 19. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Peter is saying that the voice from heaven which was first heard at his baptism, was heard (by him) and made “more sure” at the mount of transfiguration. Peter had made mention of the prophecy of the ascociated judgement coming to the disbelieving of Judea in Acts 3:22-24.

2 Peter 3 is a continuation of the explanation of the then soon coming judgement upon the mosaic covt ordinances using prophetic language such as Deut 32:22 as a source text for 2 Peter 3:10,12.

*[[Deu 32:22]] KJV* For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

*[[2Pe 3:10]] KJV* But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

*[[2Pe 3:12]] KJV* Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

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4. The subject matter of Rev 15:3 demands that the theme and scope of the letter of Revelation applied to 1 century 66-70 AD judea. 

*[[Rev 15:3]] KJV* And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. 

The song of moses is deut 32 which prophecied the events of the end of the mosaic covt nation at the time of the establishing the new covt nation.

5.  Hebrews 9:28, 10:37 & 12:26,27.

Heb 9:28 is associated with Is 66:5 and refers to a first century prrservation and deliverance.

*[[Heb 9:28]] KJV* So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

*[[Isa 66:5]] KJV* Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

Heb 10:37 refers to Titus and the Romans as one who was to soon come.  It is a referral to dan 9:26.  Due to the prophecy in Deut 32:42, we can assurredly say that Jesus’ method of rendering vengeance on his enemies and protection to his sons & daughters of peace was through Titus and the other leaders of Rome.

*[[Heb 10:37]] KJV* For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

*[[Dan 9:26]] KJV* And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

*[[Deu 32:42]] KJV* I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.

[nkjv reads; from (or through) the long-haired heads of the enemy]

Hebrews 12:26 & 27

[[Heb 12:26-27/KJV]]* v 26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. v 27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

As established through the previous context, the removal of things that are made and the shaking of the heavens and earth refers to the articles and foundations of mosaic covt temple worship as the things made with hands that were to be removed.

In the previous context (and from the context of Haggai’s prophecy), the items discussed and referred to as “things that are made” were articles of the (2nd Solomonic) mosaic covt temple rituals.

*[[Heb 9:2]] KJV* For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

*[[Heb 9:11/KJVLite]]* But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

*[[Heb 9:24/KJVLite]]* For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

6.John 14:3

*[[Joh 14:3]] KJV* And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

It’s often ascerted that this is a prooving text for the return of Jesus and sometimes of the rapture of the church.

But in this conversation of chs 14-17, Jesus was referring to his leaving by his death and his return to them after his resurrection and having recieved the kingdom from the father. (Dan 7:13,14) This was fulfilled in John 20:19-23.

Jesus had said that he would prepare a place; and return to them that where he is they would be also.   In the teachings of chs 14-17 Jesus is bringing the father & spirit of Himself (now approved and judicially given a kingdom and govt for/of humanity) to dwell in them on the earth, not the other way around. Heaven and the white throne judgement of Dan 7 comes to dwell on earth in the truths about life, its Divine origins and its Goodness as admisistered and delivered by the word (expression) of God.

7. Matt 5:17-19

Many people have interpreted this section to mean that the law or at least the ten commandments are to remain in effect until the passing of the phydical heavens and earth. They would thus also allow or even promote a God ordained continuation of a national mosaic covt Israel, though perhaps seperate from the ‘church.

*[[Mat 5:17-19/KJV]]* v 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. v 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. v 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The law and prophets contained prophecies of a new covt and implied new words. It prophecied the violent ends of the way of the mosaic covt as it became idolotry after the coming of God.

In vs 2-16 Jesus had been teaching new ways and words which were dissimilar to those of the mosaic covt. He called them ‘these least commandments” in vs 19.

Heavens and earth are terms which can be shown to refer to the ordinances and domain (or jurisdiction) of a religion or administration such as Babylon in Is 13. See Job 38:33 & Isaiah 13.

*[[Job 38:33]] KJV* Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

*[[Isa 13:1]] KJV* The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see …….. v 10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine……….. v.13. Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger……….. v 17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

Here, he says that he would stir up the Medes to shake the heavens (ordinances and principles) and remove the earth (remove and end the nation)

Like babylon, the mosaic covt of the books of Exodus through (and especially) deuteronomy contained the temporary ordinances (heaven) for the people and land (earth) over which they applied. (Rom 3:19)

The temple was also sometimes thought of as “heaven” and the court as the domain of the “earth”. The court of the ‘gentiles’ and the land & peoples outside of the “promised land” was referred to as the ‘seas’.

Thus, Jesus was saying that all the prophecies (every detail) about him would be fulfilled including his ending of the mosaic covt ordinances (heaven) and domain (earth).

He would establish the new ordinances (heavens); such as, “these least commandments”) of the new covt, indwelling the people (earth) and ending the heaven and earth of the now desolate mosaic covt.

Jesus was not there to stop these prophecies, but to fulfill. The mosaic law ended from 30-70 AD with a climax in 66-73 AD.

The article linked here explains and discusses Matt 5 in more detail.


8. My kingdom is not of this world:……but now is my kingdom not from hence.

This verse is often referred to as a proof text that the kingdom of God is presently a heavenly kingdom, but will someday become an earthly kingdom. Here is the passage in more context.

*[[Joh 18:28-38/KJV]]* v 28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover. v 29 Pilate then went out unto them, and said, What accusation bring ye against this man? v 30 They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee. v 31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death: v 32 That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die. v 33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews? v 34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me? v 35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? v 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. v 37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. v 38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

Its interesting and important to note that Jesus was in a conversation with Pilate when he spoke these words of vs 36, and that they are recorded as an answer to Pilates question of Jesus being a King. They are not spoken as a declaratory teachings to the masses or to his disciples, but in a dialogue with Pilate. In that context, Jesus asks Pilate if he heard these things from others or if he is asking them of his own observation. With these words, Jesus affirms Pilates acknowledgment of his fame and notoriety. Pilate becomes defensive and is likely taken aback by this acknowledgement and the strength of Jesus’ presence, saying; Am I a Jew?, then answers that Jesus’ own people have delivered him to himself.

In words that would be comforting and non threatening to Pilate he states that his kingdom was not of this “kosmos”, meaning not of Pilates type and system of lording territorial govornments or nations, or else his followers would have fought. Then he adds the interesting words; but now, my kingdom is not from “hence”.

“Hence” is the greek word enteuthen which refers to a precise location where “hode” refers to a general location.

When Jesus spoke the words; but now my kingdom is not from hence, he was in the area of the seat of roman authority and judgement. It seems obvious that Jesus was intending to imply that his kingdom was one day to be administered through Roman authority and power.

This usage of the Romans by God to administer judgement upon the mosaic covt way had been prophecied in Deut 32:42 and Dan 7:26 (and likely elsewhere)

*[[Deu 32:42]] LXXE* I [God] will make my weapons drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh, it shall glut itself with the blood of the wounded, and from the captivity of the heads of their enemies that rule over them.

*[[Dan 9:26]] KJV* And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

These were fulfilled in 70 AD when Jesus through the Romans returned to rescue and validate the followers of his way and truth.

Thus, Jesus was not stating that his kingdom was not of this earth, and that one day it would be from this earth. He had already taught in Luke 17:20,21 that the kingom would not come with observation (of him sitting on a throne) but that the kingdom of God would be administered from within.

The idea of a govornment from within the mind and beliefs of people is consistent with the continued conversation with Pilate.

v 37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice

The words; “thou sayest” are words of emphatic confirmation, similar to how we would say; “you’ve said it.” Thus Jesus affirmed his being a king, then even declares that for this purpose he came into the world. Then he states that purpose; to bear witness to the truth, and states that those of the truth hear his voice. (recognize his message) Thus the govt (Is 9:6,7) and kingdom established through Jesus is one based on truths. This is supported by Johns statement in John 1:17; for the law came by moses, but grace and truth by Christ Jesus.

Truth is emphasized in Johns gospel, in Romans and other epistles and especially in first John.

In the old testament truth begins being commonly spoken about and emphasized in Psalms, proverbs and Ecclesiastes and in the prophets of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Hosea, Zechariah and others. The people of the prophecies about the new covt are those that follow truth of God and his desired will as revealed through Jesus, and in the mosaic covenant to the extent they follow monotheism , the goodness of Him and life, and of his then future good coming.

Here are some examples;

*[Jos 24:14/KJV]* Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD.

*[Psa 119:142/KJV]* Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

*[Psa 119:43/KJV]* And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth; for I have hoped in thy judgments.

*[Isa 16:5/KJV]* And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.

*[Isa 26:2/KJV]* Open ye the gates, that the righteous nation which keepeth the truth may enter in.

*[Isa 61:8/KJV]* For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.

*[Isa 65:16/KJV]* That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.

*[Mal 2:6/KJV]* The law of truth was in his mouth, (John 6:28,29; Rom 3:27-31) and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.


*[Joh 1:17/KJV]* For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

*[Joh 4:24/KJV]* God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

*[[oh 8:32/KJV]* And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

*[Rom 15:8] KJV* Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

*[1Jn 2:21/KJV]* I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

*[1Jn 3:18/KJV]* My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

*[2Jn 1:2/KJV]* For the truth’s sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.

Jesus was not saying that his kingdom would not be on earth, but his kingdom was not of a ‘earthly’ militant styled kingdom, but one of peace and truths established from within, and protected from the heavens without.

One could close this discussion of point 8 with the question; what are the truths about life and God established through Jesus.

9. Zechariah 14:4

*[[Zec 14:4]] KJV* And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Many modern teachers refer to this verse as proof of a yet physical return of Christ, saying such things as; “Anyone can see that the mount of olives has not yet split in two,” and other claims related to the literal reading of the prophets and thus this verse.

A few sound principles will guide us to an alternative understanding.

Paul mentions in Rom 2:19 that all things which the law (of moses) said, it said to those under or in the nation and way of that law. So also all things the prophets prophecied would, by implication, be prophecied to the people of the temporary timeframe of the nation of the law of moses, and concerning the people of the everlasting covt of life in God through Christ.

Thus the words and locations spoken are to be understood from the context of words and events which had occurred to the people of the nation of moses and thus to monotheistic peoples in contrast with idolotrous peoples.

For example, the word mountains and heavens, to the Israelites of the mosaic nation and prophets, were words meaning the Instructions, principles and ordinances of God, which had been delivered to the people of national mosic covt Israel from heaven or a mountain.

Here are some examples;

*[[Deu 4:36]] KJV* Out of heaven he made thee to hear his voice, that he might instruct thee: and upon earth he shewed thee his great fire; and thou heardest his words out of the midst of the fire.

*[[Deu 5:22-23/KJV]]* %v 22% These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me. %v 23% And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;

*[[Deu 18:15-18/KJV]]* %v 15% The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; %v 16% According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. %v 17% And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. %v 18% I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

*[[Deu 32:22]] KJV* For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

Here belkw, in Isaiah, we see how the sun, moon, constellations and stars are used to symbolically represent the leaders of even a neighboring and falsely principled nation.

*[[Isa 13:1-2/KJV]]* %v 1% The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see. v 2 Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles.
*[[Isa 13:10]] KJV* For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof (OF BABYLON) shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

*[[Isa 13:13-19/KJV]]* %v 13% Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger………..% v 17% Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it…………%v 19% And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees’ excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

Then in Hebrews and 2 Peter these same words, like in deut 32 & Is 13, represent the principles, leaders and elements of the mosaic covt.

*[[Heb 12:26-27/KJV]]* %v 26% Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. %v 27% And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

In the context of his discussion in the prior chapters of Hebrews, these things that are made and able to be shaken refers to items and principles of the mosaic covt worship in the tabernacle and temples.

Likewise, Peter explains the same then soon coming removal of the mosaic covt intructions, “heavens” and “mountains.

*[[2Pe 3:10-12/KJV]]* %v 10% But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements [instructions and principles] shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. %v 11% Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, %v 12% Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

How do these ideas of nationally intended and defined words and symbolic language apply to zecharias prophecy in ch 14:4?

To answer that question we need to ask what events transpired on mt olivet and what did the mt symbolize to and during the nation of the mosaic covt.

For one, Solomon permitted all his wives to erect idols on that location during his reign and sacrificed to the gods of those wives. This led to the SPLITTING of the kingdom between the 10 tribes of Israel to the north and the tribes of judah to the south. Both entities of this split continued in idolotry for the immediate time until Josiah purged the kand of Idols..

*[[1Ki 11:4-13/KJV]]* %v 4% For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. %v 5% For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. %v 6% And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. %v 7% Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. %v 8% And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. %v 9% And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,….. %v 11% Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant….. %v 13% Howbeit I will not rend away all the kingdom; but will give one tribe to thy son for David my servant’s sake, and for Jerusalem’s sake which I have chosen.

*[[1Ki 11:31-36/KJV]]* %v 31% And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee: %v 32% (But he shall have one tribe for my servant David’s sake, and for Jerusalem’s sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel:) %v 33% Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father. %v 34% Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant’s sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes: %v 35% But I will take the kingdom out of his son’s hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes. %v 36% And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David my servant may have a light alway before me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen me to put my name there.

*[[1Ki 12:17-20/KJV]]* %v 17% But as for the children of Israel which dwelt in the cities of Judah, Rehoboam reigned over them. %v 18% Then king Rehoboam sent Adoram, who was over the tribute; and all Israel stoned him with stones, that he died. Therefore king Rehoboam made speed to get him up to his chariot, to flee to Jerusalem. %v 19% So Israel rebelled against the house of David unto this day. %v 20% And it came to pass, when all Israel heard that Jeroboam was come again, that they sent and called him unto the congregation, and made him king over all Israel: there was none that followed the house of David, but the tribe of Judah only.

It was called the “mount of destruction”, the mount of corruption and the mount of abomination.

*[[2Ki 23:13]] KJV* And the high places that were before Jerusalem, which were on the right hand of the mount of corruption, which Solomon the king of Israel had builded for Ashtoreth the abomination of the Zidonians, and for Chemosh the abomination of the Moabites, and for Milcom the abomination of the children of Ammon, did the king defile.

It was seen and prophecied by Ezekiel that Gods spirit would leave the temple and go to mt Olivet.

*[[Eze 11:23]] KJV* And the glory of the LORD went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city.

From the international standard bible encyclopedia:

Ezekiel in a vision (11:23) saw the glory of Yahweh go up from the midst of the city and stand “upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city” (compare 43:2). In connection with this the Rabbi Janna records the tradition that the shekhinah stood 31/2 years upon Olivet, and preached, saying, “Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near”–a strange story to come from a Jewish source, suggesting some overt reference to Christ.

Josephus records that a voice had been heard from the temple saying “lets get out of here” in the time leading up to it’s destruction. This fulfills the prophecy of Is 66:6.

Deut 32:42 (directly), Dan 9:26 & Is 59:15-20/Rom 11:26 (indirectly) prophesied that God would use, and Jesus would come, through Israels enemies (the Romans) to fulfill the ending and final judgement on the ways and means of the mosaic covt. It had become like a babylonian religion after the truths, freedom and way of God and life were delivered through Jesus. The roman armies of Titus encamped on olivet during the seige and destruction of Jerusalem.

Dan 9:27 declares that the reason for making Jerusalem desolate is the overspreading of abominations. After Christ delivered the words and truths of the new covenant and was verified by resurrection; to continue in the mosaic covt principles, sacrifice and system became a sin and abomination. Heb 10; Ps 40:6, Isaiah 1:11; Isaiah 66:1-3.

Jesus directly taught of these events of the last days of the mosaic covt from Mt. olivet in Matt 24, Mark 13 and luke 21.

Zech prophecied of the ending of idols in the time related to the time of zec 14.

*[[Zec 13:2]] KJV* And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.

An earthquake is also sometimes used in symbolic language representing the changing of foundations. (Is 13, Heb 12)

Thus, the judgement of God through the Roman armies was against those of both the southern and northern tribes who continued in what was now idolotry in moses after Jesus brought the new words of truth, freedom and life. Jesus took his stand in favor of his fulfillment and completion of the Good way of grace, truth and life. As prophecied in Dan 7:26 the judgement “SAT” (or stood), the earth (foundations) quaked (were changed) and the time came for the saints, embodying Gods doctrines and freedom through Christ, posessed and were secured in the kingdom.

*[[Dan 7:26]] KJV* But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

The moving of the mountain to the north and south possiblg also inferred an extended speading of the gospel (and judgement) to Romes way of multi-deistic, pagan and idolotrous ways and perhaps to Egypts worship of the sun and other celestial bodies. Both these groups, along with the people of a re-inhabitation of Israel (likely from the tribes of Israel) were equally judged about 65 years later in the bar kochbah revolt of 132-135 AD while the humanitarian people of God/Christ again (after suffering persecution) refrained from any military activity to defend or support their beliefs.

Thus the words of the prophecy of zech 14:4 had symbolic (non literal) intended meaning and definition to the people of the history, books and prophets of the mosaic covt way at the time of the establishing of the new (new to them) way and covenant by God through his son.

10. Romans 11:25,26

For a discussion and explanation of Rom 11:25,26 see

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